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title: "133 — Joseph Matheny Interview: Ong’s Hat & The Alchemy of Alternative Realities"
url: "https://josephmatheny.com/2024/02/19/133-joseph-matheny-interview-ongs-hat-the-alchemy-of-alternative-realities/"
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updated: "2024-02-19T16:16:33+00:00"
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# 133 — Joseph Matheny Interview: Ong’s Hat & The Alchemy of Alternative Realities

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A great conversation I had with the guys from **[The Long Seventies Podcast](https://www.thelongseventiespodcast.com/)**

**Show page**: [https://www.thelongseventiespodcast.com/home/2024/2/15/133-joseph-matheny-interview-ongs-hat-amp-the-alchemy-of-alternative-realities](https://www.thelongseventiespodcast.com/home/2024/2/15/133-joseph-matheny-interview-ongs-hat-amp-the-alchemy-of-alternative-realities)